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Sven Roeder
12:19 Sun Aug 9
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Think some people got carried away following an innocent comment by Bayliss but every team that wins a series usually has talk of dominating into the next millennium.
From Australias point of view the only positive is that we are now out of this period of back to back series and its late 2017 before the next one. A period where they need to urgently find batsmen.
I agree with Ponting , I don't think its quite as bad as made out but a few need to seize the chance.
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Marston Hammer
12:13 Sun Aug 9
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Cook and Broad will definitely be in oz for the next series. Wouldn't rule out Bell or Anderson either, both will be 35 (I think) so could be the perfect exit for them.
With the young players we have (stokes, root, etc) I think we're in a pretty healthy position.
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Eerie Descent
12:10 Sun Aug 9
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Come on Sven, do you really think anyone buys into that 'Golden generation' bollocks?
Anyway, we have to find an opener to partner Cook, who will still be captain by then I should imagine, all things going well. Bell really has to deliver consistently now, or he'll be out and you have to say, James Taylor probably deserves a proper chance, but there's a few young batsmen who could get the nod, depending on who's in the best form at the time. Root and Bairstow will be there, Stokes at 6, Buttler if he picks up, if not, they seems to like Sam Billings, although he's not made any 4 day runs yet. If Jimmy retires by then, Finn, Broad & Wood as the 3 seamers.
As for spinner, a lad was mentioned on here, Mason Crane, checked him out on Youtube, probably too early for him, but fuck me he looks good. And he's a LEGGY.
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Sven Roeder
12:10 Sun Aug 9
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It IS extraordinary that a team like SA have never won an ODI World Cup
Or beaten Australia in a Test series in S Africa since 1970.
There is a certain tightness in the collar area involved there I think
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stirlinghammer
12:03 Sun Aug 9
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I don't think they have ever got off South Africa's back...
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Sven Roeder
12:03 Sun Aug 9
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BESIDES NZ
ODI World Cup Final losers
Rugby Championship losers
Where IS Jonah by the way?
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Sven Roeder
12:01 Sun Aug 9
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Who has been called chokers?
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stirlinghammer
12:00 Sun Aug 9
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The Aussies will struggle to call anyone chokers for a couple of years at least....coca cola would struggle to bottle better than what we have seen.
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Sven Roeder
11:57 Sun Aug 9
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Not really, we've been here before haven't we?
England have a nucleus of good younger players (Root, Stokes, Finn) & some strong experienced players (Cook, Anderson, Broad, Bell) & have a good chance of winning a key series in SA at the end of the year ..... but I was just curious who was coming to Australia in Nov 2017.
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Eerie Descent
11:47 Sun Aug 9
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Sven, you're giving off the vibe of a worried man?
We definitely need a spinner who spins the ball, there are a few coming through and I don't expect Ali to be in the side come the next Ashes, although as I've said before, it's a bit of a left field pick, but I'd give him a shot at opening at the Oval. I like his technique, and his ton against Sri Lanka was a sign he can bat long with patience, we know he can slap it about, and he is in great form with the bat, probably our best behind Root in this series.
As for Root, Stokes, Buttler, Wood, FINN, they can form the nucleus of a very good side going forward. I'd stick with Buttler, he is too good a player not to get it right eventually, and I still think he will go on to be a star for us.
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Sven Roeder
11:36 Sun Aug 9
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Ken McEwan played a couple of seasons for Western Australia in the Sheffied Shield in the early 1980's. Top class player
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Eerie Descent
11:34 Sun Aug 9
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They haven't beaten us in England since 2001, Alf?
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Sven Roeder
11:33 Sun Aug 9
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You couldn't argue against that. Kane Williamson is probably his closest rival but NZ don't tend to have longer high profile series.
Any comments on this Golden Generation talk in the GIDDY atmosphere of a crushing Ashes win?
Does that mean the 35yo's Anderson & Bell & the 33yo Cook will be joining Lyth , Bairstow , Buttler & the spin terror Ali for the 2017 Ashes?
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Sir Alf
11:32 Sun Aug 9
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Shall we showboat in the next test against them? I was think play french cricket style using the handle to bat with? ;-) I mean these convicts need to be taught a lesson for having the audacity to be much better than us since the 1960s.
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Northern Sold
11:28 Sun Aug 9
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One of me all time fav batsmen was Ken McKewan... loved watching him bat... SA Loss was Essex's gain for sure...
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Takashi Miike
9:05 Sun Aug 9
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joe root now ranked number one batsman in the world. well deserved, he's class
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VirginiaHam
3:33 Sun Aug 9
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Ronald,
The truth, I agree, but England are a different side to the side that came back from the Windies.
Jordan, Trott and Ballance are gone, and we are suddenly missing 3 passengers.
Cook's point is valid, because this side is Moores side, but in 3 months, since Moores left, something has changed. Moores didn't change this. Someone said go and play cricket.
As a professional bowler no-one told me what to do. i was slow, speed wise then changed, as I understood my physioligy, into a far quicker bowler. That empowers you, because you start to work out what you are capable of.
Once you understand, your management will allow you to be as creative as possible, the shackles are off.
I bowled a bouncer at Ken McEwan at the Oval. He hooked it for four, easily. Next ball, bouncer, past him before the bat was moving. No-one told me what i could or could not do. Just a gut feel.
One over later he nudged the ball back to me, because he was sat on the back foot. Caught and bowled. Look it up. Essex at the Oval, 1982. I was empowered...no stats, go and bowl.
Sound familiar? Let the bowlers bowl.
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Dr Matt
2:43 Sun Aug 9
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67 x 50+ scores in 114 matches.
I'd say he's made a difference in the odd game here and there.
Unquestionably underachieved. Should be averaging 50-53.
However it's without doubt he's been in the best 5 batsmen in England since around 2003 to date and still remains so.
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Ronald_antly
2:15 Sun Aug 9
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I liked the way Cook paid tribute to Peter Moores, and also the way he said that Trevor Bayliss ".. has only just turned up, so let's not give him too much credit".
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VirginiaHam
2:00 Sun Aug 9
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Bell's record is interesting. 100 odd tests, 7,500 runs, 22 centuries average of 43 plus. 5 times Ashes winner.
I wonder how many tests he's made a difference in......y'know, defining, winning contributing efforts.
Go back to this series, and the main contributing batsman has been Root. No side has had bowlers with 6fers in four innings before.
If iI go back to Bell and Edgbaston, he addressed an issue regarding early innings collapses. That will be his contribution to this series, and a valuable one in the context of this series.
What about his career, in the context of changing games?
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Dr Matt
12:46 Sun Aug 9
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Ramps' 5 Ashes wins were memorable.
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